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dramatically. >> plus what going over the so called fiscal cliff could mean for the taxes that you pay. >> interest rates as high as >>> economic experts say if the country says if the country goes over the so called fiscal cliff it could go back into a recession. the effects could be even worse here in california. >> reporter: californians trying to straighten out the state's finances voted for prop 30. high earning californians will pay higher income taxes for seven years. the fiscal cliffs will hit all americans with much higher taxes and that could lead to an over all u.s. economic downturn. that in term could derail in of the benefits prop 30 may have meant for the state. >> i don't know there's a word to describe how the public is going to be. nobody is going to be happy to see that happen. >> if taxes go up on everybody, it's not going to be a happy time. but i think that's what's inevitably going to happen. >> reporter: average earnings will see 4%, top earners about 6%. that says nothing of lost deductions or other unknowns such as deduction driven pay cuts, lay offs and over

if we go over the fiscal cliff, retroactively fix those tax increases and spending cuts. but, mara, the big question is what is even an temporary uncertainty going to do to the stock market. >> danielle leigh, thank you for that report. >>> the nation is mourning the loss of one of the great military leaders of our time. retired four star general norman schwarzkopf died in his home in tampa, florida. the cause of death is unknown. he was 78. known as stormin' norman was movies famous for leading the victory in 1991. under schwarzkopf's command he earned two purple hearts. the white house is calls schwarzkopf an american original. general colin powell said of his friend that he, quote, not only inspired his troops but as inspired the nation. schwartz cough is survived by his wife brenda and his three children. >>> former president george h.w. bush remains in the hospital in houston recovering from a terrible case of bronchitis which has triggered a series of complications. while mr. bush's condition is serious, in an e-mail yesterday, a spokesman said the former president hasn't los

cooperative. >>> now that christmas is over, we are days away from this looming fiscal cliff which would raise taxes on all americans and immediate cuts. some agencies are phages furloughs -- facing furloughs. president obama and congressional leaders are cutting their vacation short to be back in washington but it's not clear whether a last-minute deal can be reached. >> i don't want to go over the cliff. >> middle class people will have their taxes go up an average of $2,000 a career and we should start making meaningful reform on the debt. >> there's talk about a smaller deal by harry reid that would prevent tax increases on those earning less than $250,000. >>> starbucks has come up with a democratic way for people to send a message to washington. the coffee giant is asking the stores to write the words come together on all drinks served tomorrow and friday. >>> well, they invested in a finance company owned by a now infamous baltimore insurance pitch man. now that hal katz business has gone belly up, they're out of luck. investigators continue digging into the story we first brought you i

, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they're able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years. it doesn't all happen this figs year. what we want is a bunny slope not a cliff so the damage is not great as long as we are able to take the short-term deal that david spoke about. what everyone is looking for, consumer and business investor is certainty. congress generates the political will with the president to address our problem. both in the grand scheme so we get $4 trillion in debt reduction over a year and second in the short term and don't have a gross domestic product grow at zee ro over the year. >> when you think about this entire issue, there is the gop caucus and the dysfunctionality that appear to be out there with plan "b." how does the speaker get this done and look like a winner if they come up with a compromise? >> well, i mean, part of what you need to remember is over 90% of the republican caucus was going with the speaker on this. again, a handful of members, some d

of the consequences of going off of the fiscal cliff in terms of tax increases. according to reuters, it would mean another $221 billion when the bush era tax cuts expire. guest: next year. host: payroll tax relief would expire. that would cause another 95 others billion. additional provisions expire for $65 billion and new affordable care act taxes would cause an increase of $18 billion. on the other side of the fiscal cliff, spending cuts that would happen according to reuters, $65 billion for the budget -- for the budget control act. 26 tons billion in the emergency unemployment benefits would expire -- $26 billion in emergency unemployment benefits would expire. back to the phones. jim from michigan on our line for democrats. how are you? caller: i am great. how are you. host: where is your city? caller: it is near south bend, indiana near where notre dame is. i have a comment on your previous caller first. one of the impressions one could get with the way he talked to obama is like our spending started with obama -- out of control spending. that was in place with bush. obama inherited it. with

the fiscal cliff, there's a larger budget looming and tax reform will be a big component of that. what's it going to look like and i also think health reform. the health reform law is here to stay. 2013 is that drop dead date of when everything is supposed to be implemented so next year is going to be a critical year where we see everything plays out and what it means in terms of cost of coverage. >> okay. bill, so it was your survey or the nfib survey that showed that pessimism. we had you guys for a little while, but now you've gone back to where it was. what do you think will turn people's attitudes around, get them more optimistic again? >> well, i think we have to get consumers to be a little more optimistic. you notice the consumer optimism went into the tank as well last month, so if they're not spending it, of course, there's not much we can do. we'd be happy to hire a few more million people if we just had customers to take care of and that's really not the case. so we've got a very dour outlook. in fact, the november reading was the tenth lowest in our survey of our 350,000 m

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capitol hill today, hoping to avoid the fiscal cliff, combination of spending cuts and tax hikes with will go into effect unless lawmakers can broker a deal before the end of the year. will meet with congressional white house. it may be too late for a deal. there are just four days left before the fiscal cliff deadline. jive to be very honest mr. president, -- >> i have to be very honest mr. president, i don't know time-wise how it can happen now. >> reporter: senate majority leader harry reid]vtkÑ lashed ot at speaker boehner accusing him of running a tar forship. >> john boehner seems to -- >> reporter: republican leaders blame democrats for the standoff and say there are limits to a compromise. >> republicans aren't about to write a blank cheque or anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. that wouldn't be fair to the american people. >> reporter: president obama flew home early from his hawaii vacation yesterday. speaker boehner call the house back into town for an unusual sunday session. members of congress understand the

associate at the tax policy center. caller: thank you, good morning. mr. rosen berg, with the fiscal cliff blooming, do you believe the i.r.s. will be able to calibrate their system at this late of a date and would the debt ceiling debate blooming, could that delay federal refunds? thank you. guest: yes. the question about the i.r.s. is a good one and it is an important one. so it almost is certainly bound to complicate the filing season. i think already the i.r.s. has said that they are -- they have not released updated withholding tables for winner to. -- 2013. what that means is employers will use the withholding tables for federal income tax. but if a deal is made or no deal is made, that's going to have to change and at some point, employers will have to change their federal income tax withholding amount. i mentioned with the alternative minute 34u78 tax, that will -- minimum tax, that will complicate the season. i think the i.r.s. has said as many as 70 million tax filers could be subject to delays if the a.m.t. is not patched for 2012. host: antonio in nashville, tennessee. you're o

taxes from going up, you're telling us what you think about that fiscal cliff. >> i would say this is a dramatic understatement. the 2012 political season was filled with memorable moments. how about the 47% or clint eastwood talking to an empty chair? and todd akin's legitimate rape comment. that's just naming a few. candy crowley looks back at the top ten political stories of 2012. >> reporter: picking the top ten moments of an election year is like finding your favorite grain of sand on the beach. there are an impossible number of possibilities. there are the moments when catch phrases become boomerangs. >> if you got a business, you didn't build that. >> i like being able to fire people who provide services to me. >> when cast members stole the spotlight. >> i'm an american woman who us contraception. let's start there. >> almost like an etch a sketch, you can shake it up and we start all over again. >> a fair number of moments ranging from ridiculous to explicable. >> i'm not going to shut up. it's my turn. >> i think it's called romnesia. >> if i were to coin a term it w

time get two flip covers for the price of one. exclusively at verizon. >>> so far the fiscal cliff debate has focused on tax tas, how much the 1% or 2% of americans will see their rates go up. tax hikes on the rich alone will not put all that much of a accident in the national deficit. you could take away every dollar from the top 1% earners and it wouldn't fill the gap. we heard earlier in the week about chained cpi, a suggestion john boehner made for his proposal. christine? >> chain cpi would change the way the federal government calculates inflation, which could stave federal government $300 billion over the next decade if implemented. the consumer price index measures how much they go up by tracking a basket of goods that americans typically buy. this is important because it's used to calculate cost of living adjustments and social security. checks pay a little more each year in line with inflation as calculated by that consumer price index. now, one potential flaw in the system, consumer price index assumes people don't change their basket, if, say, the price of meat goes up.

costly. >> i'm hopeful that a deal will avoid the worst parts of a fiscal live cliff. >> the tax increases need to be averted, avoided. they can be. i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing of that. >> according to administration officials, senior white house staff will hold a conference call with some of the country's top business leaders within the half hour to brief them on negotiations. we're told the president will not be on that call. live in the newsroom, keith russell, news4. >>> stay with us. coming up at 50:30, we'll break down the immediate impacts on american there's no deal and explain how it would hit our local economy. again that's in the next half hour. >>> it's an epic rivalry. washington versus dallas. this weekend the stakes are as high as they've ever been. the rivalry can split households right down the middle. richard jordan joins us live from feddics field. richard? >> reporter: pat, there is no doubt about it, come sunday families will be pouring into the stadium or sitting around the tv to watch the big game, but some some cases thi

plunging off the so-called fiscal cliff into the higher taxes and deep spending cuts moments away. plus, an enormous drug smuggling tunnel discovered under a suburban home. wow. where this was located. and the clue that up ited off police. that tipped off police. >>> some families now in america living in limbo after russian president vladimir putin signed a laurie sphricting them from adopting children. they called it retaliation for a law that targets human rights violators. basically it is a political game with little children caught in the middle. right now few are hurting more than those families already matched with orphans and waiting to bring them home. melissa cutler from kdfw in dallas has more. >> we hoped she would get to come home for christmas. we are hoping now it is her valentine dress. >> they were just two months away from making a five-year-old russian girl with down syndrome a part of their family. >> she is not hard to love. not at all hard to love. >> they plan to rename her anna faith. >> most of the toys that we have collected are infant toys because she is not d

the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he was able to say look, i was willing to meet them halfway. more than 50%. they don't want to work with us together. he is coming off strong, coming off the supporters, sticking to his position that he pledged to

weapons. >> glor: margaret brennan, thank you. there are eight days now until fhe fiscal cliff of big tax increases for most americans. and across-the-board spending cuts in the federal budget. even with congress adjourned and president obama out of town, erme lawmakers today talked about a last minute deal. >> my own belief is what we ought to do is take speaker boehner's last offer, the president's last offer, split the difference. that would be a package of about $2.6 trillion. you couple that with the 1.1 trillion already done. that would be close to the $4 trillion we need to stabilize the debt and begin to bring it down. >> i would vote for revenues, including tax rate hikes even ugh ih i don't like them, to get a-- to save the country from becoming greece, tax rate hikes are part of the solution driven by the president. but he's going to get tax rate hikes. ratey republican colleagues, if we can protect 99% of the american public from a tax hike that is not a tax increase in my books. >> glor: with christmas just two nuys away last minute gift buyers are out. today shopper track sa

country teetering on the edge of the fiscal cliff you might want to change your tax strategy. advice coming up from michael finney. stay with us. we have a lot more to get to. >>> the health of former president george hw bush is a growing concern. the 88-year-old transfered to houston methodist hospital. he's been at the center ever since a lot of month because of a chronic cough. but he's been fighting a high fever for days. this morning he was put on a liquides only diet. >> no one puts new icu because things are going well we're hoping medicine was help him turn things around. >> barbara bush spent christmas by his side, former president george w bush expected to visit incoming days. >> retailers reeling tonight after holiday sales missed marks. they were expecting shoppers to spend 2% more than last year but turns out sales grew less than 1%. very disappointing. david with, a look the impact on the economy. >> there is no doubt that this is a real blow but kboitsing to impact people making goods retailers put on shelves. dispatting growth is likely tied to conservative gifting. >

. it's a sign of what is to come if no fiscal cliff deal is reached and automatic income tax increases and government spending cuts go into effect in four days. meanwhile the president called a top four congressional leaders to meet with them at the white house later today with the hopes they can avoid this potential crisis. and in a somewhat surprising move top republican signaled he might be willing to compromise more on that when i see you next. >>> only on 2 in the north bay search teams are using a new technology to try to find a man who jumped the court me terra creek during a police chase. anthony donaldson was swept away on monday. he jumped into the creek to avoid a drunk driving test. >> really what it is it's the difference between the televisions we had years ago and newer digital tvs we have nowadays. a much sharper, clearer picture. imagery is much more defined than it was before. >> marin county is borrowing the video ray from contra costa county. they bought it from antiterrorism funds. >>> police in vacaville are asking for the public's help in finding a 56-year-old wo

cliff. avoid the fiscal cliff, billions in tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in. that uncertainty sparked another day of selling on wall street christmas eve. the dow dropped almost 52 points. >>> one of the most popular gifts under the christmas tree? gift cards. the national retail federation survey found 81% of shoppers bought gift cards this year spending an average of $150 each. >>> despite an increase in gift cards sales retailers anticipate holiday sales will be disappointing. while spending is expected to be up over last year, it is expected to be less than businesses were hoping for. >>> smart phones are a popular gift this year. next year smart cameras could be a big hit. they are already a couple on the market. nikon's new camera has wi-fi gps and many of the apps you'll find on an android smart phone. samsung's galaxy cam can also go an line allowing you to take pictures and immediately share them on social media. other companies are working on similar devices for next year. that's your money watch. for more business headlines go to cbsmoneywatch.com. in new york, i'm

, congress and president obama could say no to the fiscal cliff by extending all the tax cuts an overturning the automatic spending reductions incurrent law. what about that scenario? >> i think that is right. and frankly is probably what they'll do. look at the timeframe congress has left, i think, at the beginning, you said, it is nine or ten days and it is really four by the time they get back on the 27th and keep in mind when they come back they have four days to write -- come up with a deal and write the legislation and get it scored and there's a lot to do in four days and it is unlikely they'll get a deal done. so what they'll do is kick the can down the road at least a month and that is likely once they get back on the 27th. >> heather: like my late christmas shopping, everyone has a gift card for a sweater. thanks... >> hopefully not a tax increase. >> heather: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right. >> gregg: a great example of american ingenuity. a company that relies on summertime to make money is actually finding a new way to stay in business in the wintertime deliverin

to keep the country from falling off the fiscal cliff, sending everybody's taxes up and possibly sending the country into another recession. it's down to the wire with just three days left. and abc's lisa stark has the latest on the last-minute wheeling and dealing being done in washington. good morning, lisa. >> reporter: good morning, bianna. well, the next 24 hours are critical. the president this morning in his radio address, told lawmakers don't let washington politics get in the way of american progress. so, the last-ditch attempt is on the way to put together a deal. and the ball is in the senate's court. there's nothing like a deadline to force action. the president met with congressional leaders friday for the first time in six weeks. then, proclaimed himself modestly optimistic. but warned -- >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. >> reporter: with the clock running out, here's the game plan. the democratic and republican leaders in the senate will spend day trying to hash out a bipartisan agreement. >> i'm hopeful and op

baristas are writing on the side of certain coffee cups. plus, the deadline looms for the fiscal cliff. why some insiders think a deal will >>> president obama and senate leaders tomorrow head back to washington to try to reach a last minute deal, before historic tax increases go into effect next week. why some believe we will head over the fiscal cliff before washington takes action. >> reporter: the halls of power empty, although negotiators and the president are back at work. >> at the very least, let's agree right now on what we already agree on. >> reporter: an olive branch to the gop, and carrot to corporate giants. the administration now suggesting cutting corporate tax rates. the u.s. has among the world's highest. but closing loopholes that helped google, for instance, avoid $2 billion in taxes last year. >> corporations are a little concerned. >> reporter: gary is optimistic about a deal. >> i'd still rate it better than 50/50. >> reporter: what seems increasingly likely is to allow the country to go over that fiscal cliff, triggering higher taxes. that would allow hard line repu

in the weakest position to defend themselves. let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in january could theoretically restore extended benefits, the immediate damage will have already been done. for many people, this is all an interesting charade. but for the unemployed it's the rea

and deliveries as possible before a strike happens. >> to another possible financial crisis, the fiscal cliff. without a fix on general one, tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in. president obama will meet and search for some type of compromise. leaders continue to play the blame game and point figures. >> i cannot imagine their consciences. we are here trying to get something done. republicans are not about to write a blank check just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff,. >> i highly unusual sunday evening session. a man is in a, tonight after he -- found beaten in the hous in a house. he suffered from head trauma. he had gone to give estimates on contract work when he went missing. >> they robbed him. they were wrong for what they did. i hear about stuff like this on the news but i would never know it would come to my family during the holiday season. >> the search continues for a suspect. ever since the massacre, he gun control debate has been raving. it had us curious about gun sales in maryland. >> the rifle adam lanza used was legally owned and registered to his mother

over the fiscal cliff because any vote on taxes technically would be to cut them? >> we've heard some republicans say that, but i think overall, they know. both sides know that to go over the cliff, will lead to political consequences. polling suggests that republicans would suffer the most if something like that happens. the speaker especially labeled unpopular and somewhat responsible for this, and i think republicans will help that. taxes shurnt go up. if they were to go up by law, conceivably they could come back in january and lower them and campaign on the fact that they lowers taxed. >> let's take a look at what speaker boehner said on friday. >> many of us believe on both sides of the aisle, the fundamental reform of our taxes will help get our economy moving faster and get more americans back to work. how we get there, god only knows. >> so the president says he's going to head back to washington after christmas to try and hammer out a deal before new year's. babe boehner said god only knows, god and ed o'keefe. how do they get there? >> for practical reasons there, are bills

income. it is about half the size of the fiscal cliff, if you will, tax hikes that could well be added to them if the year finishes the way we stand right now. >> absolutely, lou. i found it interesting if you read the affordable correct many of the onerous mandate created by obamacare were exempted for the unions so i found it interesting that the administration is looking out for the union and not looking out for the state and individual citizens to bearey the load of this. lou: your ground operation would have been a little stronger. you could have prevented people of laws.sorts you don't find that as fair and equitable, right? >> we challenged on constitutional grounds, w but dd not quite get it all. lou: more lawsuits to come and we will see how those, as well. the great state of south carolina. great fobeing with us. hsbc agrees to being a mexican drug cartel bank. terrorists.ertern tonight she meets the former employee wriried to stop hsbc illegal conduct, former hsbc vice president with us tonight for an exclusive interview. progressive claims. this is flo. i need you. i feel s

until tomorrow. >>> solving the fiscal cliff. one millionaire says he is ready for his taxes to go up. his message to the 1%. >>> and we will have the legendary barry manilow join us later in this hour. he will tell us why a jewish boy is singing christmas caroles so much. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first full prescript

from the largest tax hike in american history was no movement toward a fiscal cliff deal more in the action in the house or senate. the responsibility now to avoid massive taxe and draconian spending cuts reting squarely on the prsident. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> just as our economy is really starting to recover and starting to see optimistic signs and we have seen actually some upside to from a whole range of areas, including two from including housing, now is not the time for more self-inflicted wounds , seven not the estimate from washington. lou: president obama's top advisers were quick to dump on the speaker come -- declaring he is backed into a corner. >> they went from plan b to plan seal later. the fact that they could not even plan -- pass that was an embarrassment. >> in private the president's advisers admit they are bit more apprehensive firmly believing mr. obama has the upper end of the public. if the market takes the hit to the commander-in-chief we will still face his share of heat for washington this function to may

and the fiscal cliff: we talk with his long-time friend and "fortune" magazine journalist carol loomis. that and more tonight on "n.b.r." some straight talk from president obama tonight about the fiscal cliff. speaking to reporters from the white house he said he's ready and willing to get a comprehensive package done, but it's up to republicans and democrats to make it happen. >> nobody gets 100% of what they want. everybody has to give a little. >> susie: the president also proposed a smaller package that prevents taxes for 98% of americans from going up and for unemployment insurance to be extended. he pressed lawmakers to agree on this in the next ten days. darren gersh has details. >> reporter: one day after the collapse of efforts to avoid the fiscal cliff, all sides were speaker boehner tried to shift that burden, saying democrats unemployment insurance to be extended. >> we can't cut our way to prosperity we need real economic growth. and many of us believe on both sides of the aisle that fundamental reform of our tax code will help us get our economy moving faster and put more

months. the reason donors are concerned that a fiscal cliff deal could limit the tax deduction on charitable giving in the future. >> good day to you. is that the reason? i think people are worried they won't know what the deduction listen next we're, so front-loading the deduction this year. hopefully it's my wish they don't reduce it at all. >> let's look at some of the numbers. each year 300 billion is given to charity and claim about 50 billion a year in tax deductions. so when you look at some of the numbers, a person making about $too,000, they can deduct 35%. if that were to go down to 28%, how much do you think that would impact giving? >> you know, the estimate is anywhere between 1 and 30 billi billion, depending on how the deduction goes, and even if it's eliminated. it's hard to predict. one of the important things is this deduction han in place since 1917, and no one has ever touched it before. so we have no data on what's going to happen, but i think the americans, three quarters of the americans are concerned it will reduce the money to charity. >>> you know, if

to avoid some of the tax parts of the fiscal cliff. it would keep tax cuts for the making $250,000 a year or less, extending unemployment benefit and with the clock ticking delay dramatic spending cuts until next year. >> i asked leaders of congress to work toward the package to prevent tax hike on middle class americans protects unemployment surance for 2 million americans. lays the groundwork for work on growth and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package tha

, the last ditch effort to avert the fiscal cliff. president obama met with congressional leaders for several hours at the white house today to try to hammer out a deal before taxes go up on more than 160 million americans. after the meeting, the president presented a new plan to avoid the cliff and said he was modestly optimistic. >> we had a constructive meeting today. senators reid and mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we can get a bipartisan bill out of the senate over into the house and done in a timely fashion so that we met the december 31st deadline. given how things have been working in this town we have to actually wait and see until it actually happens. the one thing that the american people should not have to wait and see is some sort of action. so if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders in the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i have asked senator reid to do. this put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up, that unemployment insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays t

and it in racing tax brackets on what people earn. why is chained cpi suddenly so vital to the fiscal cliff negotiation? it isn't a spending cut or a tax hike, but it would effectively cut spending and raise taxes on some, saving the government an estimated $300 billion over the next decade. the problem is that what that means is that seniors, the longer they live, the less money they would actually take home. they would see a cut to their benefits and that's what has progressives so upset. >> politically speaking, this was a significant concession from the democrats or was it just an accounting fix? >> well you know, it was both of those things. it is an accounting fix. it is a significant concession from democrats. some democrats who i spoke to said look, maybe i would consider this maybe. but only if we could have some sort of mechanism, ali, that a senior past age 85 who would be facing six or 8% cut in benefits, maybe there would be an adjustment to make sure, especially for people who are very poor, that there would be some sort of safety net. paul krugerman has said liberal firebrand

motive. >> terrible story. a week before the fiscal cliff, tax hikes for all americans and spending cuts that could pull the economy back into recession. ho, ho, ho. that makes everybody happy on christmas morning. president obama spent christmas eve playing a round of golf with friends and the democratic senate looks like the only hope for crushing the deadlock. our white house correspondent brianna keilar maybe with a little bit of news which is pathetic because it's talks within the democratic party, but at least they are talking. >> reporter: that's right. is it really news that democrats are talking? that's all the news we have to report as of today. i know i feel a little bit like a grinch reporting this, but the white house is in talks with senate democrats. that's not really surprising as we look to the senate to be the next -- really the next ones to act on this when they reconvene on the 27th. right now it's really up to senate majority leader harry reid to try to cobble something together that can get some republican support in the senate and the house to avoid the fiscal clif

, the session won't meet. every american will be hit with higher taxes new year's day because of the fiscal cliff. a teacher with $43,000 a year will get a tax hike of more than $3,000 a year. a professional athlete would see his taxes go up more than 2.4 million a year. unemployment benefits for some 2 million people would expire. the nation may fall back into a recession. >>> even star bucks is getting into the fight on the fiscal cliff. their ceo wants workers to write come together on the coffee cups they serve thursday and friday. it's the company's way of telling the politicians to find common grounds. >> if people would get in the room and leave their ego behind, but be so sensitive to the'ds of the american people, we would have an agreement. >> a suggestion from the ceo. baristas won't be forced to write anything on the cup. >>> regardless of the fiscal cliff, the new year will bring new laws. same sex marriage will be allowed in maryland. that is not not the only new law. we told you about 24 hour casinos and a new law allowing veterans showing their status on drivers license. and

cliff. some $600 billion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases will take effect if no agreement is reached. obama and the rest of republicans remain of the impasse over the republican refusal to allow tax hikes even for the wealthiest americans. senate majority leader on thursday accused house speaker john boehner of holding up a deal. >> the american people i don't think understand the house representative is operating without the house of representatives. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house representatives to get what they want. >> adding to the urgency surrounding the talks, treasury secretary timothy geithner warned this week the u.s. will not be able to pay its creditors after monday unless the debt ceiling is raised. we will have more on the fiscal cliff talks, speaking with congressmember dennis kucinich after the headlines. environmental protection agency head lisa jackson has announced a resignation ahead of president obama's second term. jackson departs after a four- year tenure that saw advances in the r

is to allow the country to go over that fiscal cliff, triggering higher taxes. that would allow hard line republicans to vote for lower taxes, a few days later. >> to make them look better? to appease voters. if that's the reason, great. >> reporter: some call it a low form of political shenanigans. >> i think that's horrible, they would put the american people through that. i don't think it's fair to the american people. >> reporter: this afternoon, east bay congresswoman barbara lee told me, there are too many lives at stake if we do not get a deal before the end of the year. john fowler, ktvu, channel 2 news. >>> starbucks is urging its employees in the washington area to send a message to congress. baristas will be writing come together on coffee cups for the rest of the workweek. ceo howard schultz says he wants to send a respectful, but potent message. >>> new figures show u.s. home prices are higher than a year ago. today's kay shiller price report shows prices in the 20 largest markets were up more than 4% in october. prices in the bay area are up own moore, jumping 8.9%. phoenix

trying to work out a deal to avoid the "fiscal cliff." higher taxes will give the average american about $1,500 less to spend next year. and economists believe the $110 billion spending cuts will result in more layoffs. senator harry reid has a plan to keep taxes low for everyone making less than $250,000 a year as well as short term spending cuts until a bigger dooley can be reached. >> it is going to be a patch because in four days we can't solve everything. >> reporter: while senators try to brave the bad weather that has hit many parts of the country, in order to make it back here to washington, house leaders say they will not leave home unless the senate passes its bill first. >> good morning? >> reporter: house republicans scuttled the proposal from speaker john boehner last week and 48% of americans say they are to blame if no deal is reached. >> both sides here have a problem with the american people and it's why congress has 11% job approval rating. >> reporter: republican pollster frank lund says americans are fed up with gridlock in washington. >> there is no compromise and i

down toward the fiscal cliff deadline and looming tax hikes and spending cuts, that will impact nearly every single american we are just hours away from a crucial white house meeting of the president obama and leaders from the house and senate will sit down for their first face-to-face since november! but what can they hope to accomplish with so little time left, and at this point do they even want to come up with a solution? joining us oklahoma congressman james langford, incoming chairman of republican policy committee and serves on the house oversight and budget committees. congressman, are we going over the cliff? >> well we certainly hope so, hope not actually, but trying to get this resolved. the house as you know full well passed all of our sequestration documents in may. passed all of our tax documents in august and we have waited for the senate all this time and for the president frankly all this time. frustrating for the house did all our work early and be at the point we never hoped to be at. jon: when senate majority leader harry reid says speaker boehner, leader of the hou

of going over the fiscal cliff. $600 million in tax increases and spending cuts. >> nobody wants to do that. >> i think we all agree and no talks by all accounts by the president and members of congress. >> the president went -- >> and the president was playing golf in honolulu. listen, i was working on christmas. with all due respect. should congress have taken a break? >> no. >> there are huge implications here. we have to wait on the senate at this point. and that's -- that's our challenge. we did send a bill to them in -- a couple of months ago in august. although now it's four months ago. we sent a bill to them saying let's extend '01, '03 for the time being so we can work on real tax reform. they need to send that back to us. it's true speaker boehner brought another bill for consideration to the house majority. but that's just -- >> and they rejected it. >> that's just moving the hot potato around. nothing is getting done. >> if you look at it, the house has passed a budget for three years in a row. the senate has not pass ted the budget. what family in the united states can make its

higher taxes and the fiscal cliff thing and they are not spending so much. if there is a sign next week we could have a deal, perhaps we will see moreshipping. there is going to be a lot of sales after christmas. >>heather: people get their gift cards. and we see that. that will be an important indication. not all hope is lost but we are cutting back and not as much spending as we hopeed. >> not all hope is lost. >>gregg: i am single-handedly holding up the american economy. one man stimulus. >>heather: you can catch brand da every saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. right here. >>gregg: it legal immigrants could get a free pass in the united states as immigration and customs enforcement unveil a new border patrol policy to bypass certain kinds of offenders. dominic is live in our west coast newsroom with more. >>reporter: yes, this policy snuck through hoping people would not notice and now illegal immigrant if they commit a petty crime they are not deported. the aim of homeland security and customs is to consequence trait resources on hunting down the dangerous illegal immigrants, instead,

because a half trillion dollars plus tax hit is about to kick in as a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is no where are in sight and time is running out. we hit the streets to show people this. this graphic shows how big a tax hit you could expect depending on your income no matter where in the country you live. for folks who could soon be forced to pay higher taxes, reality setting in. >> january 1st, that's what your taxes would go up. >> wow. >> wow. >> wow is not wow. >> well, it's going to be somewhere between 8,000 to $12,000, which i don't have. so i'm not looking forward to that. >> we're living paycheck by paycheck. i have five kids and that's going to put us way down in the hole. >> i'm a single income, you've got to be kidding. >> that's a lot of money. >> we need to keep our money in our pockets to help our country first. >> that sucks. i have a lot more better things to do with that money than give it someplace else. >> taxpayers are clearly worried. it deny next guest reaction from florida republican congressman, good friend, allen west. start with the -- some news we hear

agree to it but it's all tied up in the fiscal cliff mess. tax filing season starts next week but the irs would put a hold on that for some. officials would wait for a deal in the new year instead of doing serious reprogramming to their tax system. filing would then be pushed back to march for millions. with refunds coming much later than usual. especially for those who plan on paying off credit card bills that often pile up after the holidays. now all of this could be avoided a deal before the deadline monday night but some long time lawmakers fear it won't happen, more on that when i see you next. live in washington. >> oil prices started edging up arch the president announced he would return from vacation early so he could work on fiscal cliff negotiations. crude oil sells for almost $91 a barrel up nearly two dollars a barrel. it's expected to increase as hope rises that a budget deal can be reached before the deadline and that could keep the economy growing while no agreement may put the united states back into recession. >> several states are under blizzard warning thi

are going to get is to go over the fiscal cliff. taxes go up, then you go the republicans in position where they're getting the lower taxes. then patti murray. >> i just hope that people are paying attention that what we are seeing is basically the best world for politicians, they put off the and then everybody is going to pretend, oh, it's something happened. and nobody in the meantime is representing the interest of the american people. you know, we've got both parties in a position to negotiate this is what we want, this is what we elected and they're doing everything they can to not pay attention to that and to go to their separate corners and to be separate and to pretend that their way is not the only way. >> and it could result in people being called into, like, their supervisor's offices and their supervisor goes, i'm sorry, people are actually losing jobs because of this. >> but is there what the people voted for? there are some that think this is what the president voted for. >> how can you think that the american people didn't vote for this? >> let me get to these economical repo

the fiscal cliff deadline when income tax cuts and payroll tax cuts are set to expire, $110 billion worth of spending cuts kick in, and two million jobless americans lose their unemployment benefits. for the first time, leader reid said today that it looks like the nation is going to go over the fiscal cliff, but that may just have been bluster, jeff, to try to put more pressure on republicans. >> glor: so, nancy, the house coming back on sunday. is that a good sign? >> reporter: well, it is in the sense that if the senate does manage to pass something, the house would be here to vote on it, as well. originally, speaker boehner had told his members that he would give them 48 hours' notice if they were needed back here at the capitol, but there was a recognition, i think, that it just looked bad for the house to be gone when we were so close to the fiscal cliff deadline. >> glor: nancy cordes, thank you. major garrett has been following developments at the white house. major, what is the president's next move? >> reporter: it is not a breakthrough but it is a glimmer of hope. officials tel

. >> is the country goes over the fiscal cliff, some economists fear the combination of budget cuts and higher taxes could trigger another recession. others say the deadline is not as firm. congress could pass a temporary measure early that would roll back any changes. political analysts warn some consequences may be immediate. >> maybe a tremendous response and that would alarm everybody. >> stock prices dropped friday after a republican-led plan collapsed. nearly half of americans are doubtful the two sides can settle their differences. >> when the uncertain. tax rates will go up on 30 million households at least. that is something the politicians are going to respond to. >> house republican leaders called on the senate to pass to bills they said would avoid the fiscal cliff. republicans said the lines of communication are still open but the house will not act until the democratically controlled senate does. >> at the maryland due in baltimore, the african lions were not in their native habitat because it was snowing. the weather was so bad that these do closed -- the zoo closed for the day. the s

the fiscal cliff that includes no tax increases. sbainer boehner and other republican leaders have been too scared about suffering publicly if the nation goes over the cliff and the tax sbikeses that are triggered in january. now that the plan b has failed these conservative republicans should be empower you ared to make big demands and stop caving to the president out of fear." guest: that doesn't make much sense to me. you have to get it through the house republicans then the president has to sign something, if that doesn't happen then you have very large tax increases a lot more than what they were talking about in their negotiating and you have the defense cuts that happen overtime and some other, nondefense cuts. you really have this huge amount of revenue, a lot of debt reduction. it is hard to see what demands the republicans can think will be easier to make come the new year. guest: plus, we've seen the president's approval level is at a high. and the poll should show that the republicans are going to be blamed if we go over the cliff and taxes go up. that is before the debacle with

to go over the fiscal cliff. they wouldn't have to go for a tax increase. then however it becomes no longer extending the bush tax cuts, but the obama tax cuts. president obama is associated with cutting taxes. there is political liability for them as well. the reality is they have to get off of this no tax increase nonsense. i read in the "new york times" the other day, no republican member of congress voted for it since 1990. do you believe that? we had two or three wars since that time? a tragedy at 9/11 and we had hurricane sandy. we had hurricane katrina and despite all of these, they are unwilling to raise them to support and fund our government. what does it say about the dysfunctionality? >> we will have to leave it there. happy holidays to you. joining me now on the phone, congressman gregory meeks. congressman, i just saw you downstairs in the lobby about two or three hours ago and you were waiting on a phone call to determine when you might have to go back to d.c. to hammer out fiscal cliff matters. have you gotten the call yet? >> we are still waiting. >> no word as to

package, small deal together, before the new year to avoid some of the tax parts of the fiscal cliff and to deal with some of the unexcept issues. >> reporter: that package first unveiled by the president last friday before left for hawaii is a slimmed down bill that would focus on three key areas, keeping tax cuts only for those making $250,000 a year or less, extending unemployment benefits and with the clock ticking it would delay dramatic spending cut until later next year. >> i've asked leaders of congress to work towards a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans, protects unemployment insurance for 2 million americans, and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. >> reporter: after the meeting the president came into the briefing room and told reporters constructive but added he was only modestly optimistic that a deal can be reached by the deadline, a sign that there's a very real possibility we're going off the fiscal cliff. at the white house ed henry, fox news. >>> to the edge in virginia now,

congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the fiscal cliff is you don't want to be blamed for going over it. it is going to be bad for the economy. it's bad for the country. what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreemen

. that whole fiscal cliff thing, where congress and the white house can't reach a deal on taxes and spending before the end of the year and they maybe get us into a recession, it's definitely happening. that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically s

the fiscal cliff. everybody's taxes will be going up if we go over it. drastic budget cuts will be going into effect. and leaders in washington have finally agreed to talk. a meeting scheduled this afternoon at the white house. abc's chief white house correspondent, jonathan karl, telling us what we can expect. we want to take a listen to sound from both sides. the looks of things, no one may be getting too far down the road. first, let's listen to what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell said on the senate floor. >> i told the president we'd be happy to look at what he proposes. but the truth is, we're coming up against a hard deadline here. and republicans aren't going to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> meanwhile, the senate majority leader, now, had even harshe harsher words for gop leadership. >> the house of representatives is operating out the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to g

. higher sales taxes and income taxes on the top earners. the fiscal cliff would hit all of that. >> i don't know if there is a word to describe how mad the public is going to be. nobody is going to be happy to see that happen. >> if taxes go up on everybody; it will not be a happy time. i think that is what will happen. >> meanwhile the tax policy center says they will see their take home pay shrink just over 3.6%. >>> at a time when people were mourning the horrible sandy hook shooting one new york woman took advantage of that sympathetic spirit by allegedly setting up a charity scam in connection to that tragedy. 37-year-old noel alba set up an internet scam claiming to be the aunt of six-year-old noah pozner. no a's uncle says he is disgusted someone would do this. >> my nieces and i think of these scammers they are stealing from them. they are survivors of this tragedy. >> the fbi says four days after the school shooting all of the money was refunded to donors. alba the mother of two teens denies opening the fund and says someone hacked her facebook page. she faces up to five years in

, whether it's the effects of the fed's monetary policy, year end, fiscal cliff tax related issues. the motivations are a little bit different this time around than they were last year. >> yeah. it's not as pressing, some would argue. some were actually saying on friday, maybe it would have been better if the markets had a sharper sell-off because that could have forced the lawmakers to do something as opposed to leave for obama to have a hastily called friday evening press conference saying, you know what, congress, you have ten days, you go work it out. it's doable. >> it's been an interesting year. of course, we started off so well, in terms of expectations for economic growth. we had an election this year, too. i think that's another thing that is sort of the key. we hit europe again as we had the last two years previously. but this last quarter, i think there's been a lot more optimism, even with the fiscal cliff sitting there, as sort of this potential, real roadblock at the end of the year. perhaps even too much optimism some would say. when you speak to ceos, there's still

will the payroll tax be affected? >> the payroll tax is one of the components of the fiscal cliff. as the article points out, most of the discussions and plans that have been back-and-forth of not involve extending that. with that essentially means is that come the first paycheck entered january, federal withholding for social security will increase and take home pay will drop by about 2%. host: from what you have seen and heard of the negotiations that have been going on back and forth between the white house and the senate and the house, what other items are you most concerned about regarding how going over the cliff is going to affect the average american? guest: it is interesting. most of the discussion thus far has focused on the individual income tax provision. for the most part it had been in effect for the past 10 years or so since beginning in 2001. interestingly enough, one aspect of the fiscal clefts does not actually -- it is not about 2013 taxes, but it is a leftover business from 2012. most importantly, that is congress has not yet enacted its annual fixed to the alternative minimum

satellite corp. 2012] >> coming up, "the communicators." later, a look at the fiscal cliff with joseph rosenberg of the tax policy center. >> i like the congressional hearings, i like all the stuff about the educational stuff, all the policy-making situations. i think it is a great thing the washington, d.c. has all these things and c-span covers these. >> c-span, created in 1979 as a public service. >> james glanz is an investigative reporter with the "new york times." mr. glanz, what is an internet datacenter? >> it is a place where all the information you sent out from your communicatocomputer or mobe goes into process and storage. >> how big are these centers? >> there actually colossal. their colossal in the amount of electricity they use. some use as much electricity as a medium-sized town. it is a very secretive industry. they tend to be hiding in plain sight. littlees you'll see diesel generators on the side. those are backup power supplies. and it is a data center. >> were those located at the road they're all over the place. they're in high rises in cities, in greenfield site

to stop the economy falling off the fiscal cliff. talks are taking place before tax rises and spending cuts come into effect on january 1. the woman who's a gang rape sparked mass protest in india has died in hospital. doctors treating the 23-year-old say she was showing signs of severe organ failure before her death. thousands of iraqis are protesting, accusing administration of marginalizing them. the so-called fiscal quiff threatening the u.s. economy. have we are joined by an economics columnist with the washington newspaper. he says without an immediate deal, the discussion will significantly change in the new year. >> i think what we will see from the republicans is much greater flexibility as we get into the new year, if it comes to that. and, instead of voting for a tax increase, they are voting for a tax cut. the same policy, when you are voting for it on january 4, would be a tax cut. today, it would be a tax increase. it is a weird way of thinking about it, but we are a strange land, in terms of u.s. policy right now. heather is a sense the entire dynamic would change if we

of the fiscal cliff issues. on taxes president obama's offer compromise, agreeing to $400,000 as the new cutoff point. speaker boehner tried to sell a million as the dividing line but couldn't get it past his own party. president obama is therefore offering his original position, $250,000 and below. on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reco

, the president said he es modestly optimistic about a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, which would mean avoiding automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january 1. the president spoke to the nation this evening after an hourlong meeting with congressional leaders at the white house. democrat and republican leaders have agreed to extend jobless benefits and some tax increases. they appear to remain deadlocked on who exactly will pay those higher taxes. wo have two reports tonight, beginning with major garrett at the white house. major, good evening. >> reporter: good evening, jeff. two things are clear tonight arat were not clear this morning: progress is real, and if a deal is reached, it will be ir smaller than any of the key players envisioned only a couple weeks ago. is this deal, if it's to be reached, will not be the so- called grand bargain with trillions of dollars of deficit lionction. in fact, jeff, it's not even clear this deal-- again, if there is one-- would stop the across-the-board spending cuts ulr the defense department and peher government programs. it looks like those cu

the fiscal cliff could affect you. first, income taxes will go up substantially. a middle class family will pay about $2,000 more per year. gas prices will likely fall because individuals will have to spend less on fuel. you could see longer lines at the airport because budget cuts would force the tsa to cut its staff and retail prices may fall because declining consumer confidence would push retailers to offer discounts to get shoppers into their stores. >> the bowl game is all decked-out for the game this afternoon against the u.s. navy academy and arizona state. everyone's spirits are high and the game is bringing a boost for the local economy. >> many are here for an extended weekend. >> two teams really excited to be here and their fans are excited to be here. gosh, i think we are filling up all the hotels in san francisco. >> 33,000 tickets have been sold for the match-up. at&t park can take 40,000 so not at capacity yet. organizers believe it will be another banner year for the hunger goal. it's brought the city more than $130 million over the past 11 years. that's an average of

before we go over the fiscal cliff and everybody's taxes go up. i'm sure a lot of us feel they shouldn't be taking off. >> let's bring in george stephanopoulos. great to see you, george. things are coming down to the wire. what are the odds they can come up with a deal especially republicans can't agree. >> those talks completely collapsed this week and ended once and for all when john boehner couldn't even pass his backup plan in the house on thursday. the only possibility right now would be some kind of a very small -- some measure that would just extend the tax cuts for everyone earning under $250,000. it should be a lot of protection for a lot of people but even that will be difficult. you get it only if there's a promise not to filibuster that in the senate and the house speaker agrees to take it up. both of those questions are very open right now. >> a lot of open questions and high establishes for a lot of people. let me ask you about another big issue in washington right now. in this toxic environment any chance that the president can make any headway on his desire to change th

christmas stocking the one-week warning on the fiscal cliff. we're seven days away from tax hikes and spending cuts that could send the economy spiraling into recession. here's what your elected officials are doing about it. have a look. president obama spending christmas eve on the links in honolulu with friends. while lawmakers relax at home for the holidays. right now the senate looks like it might be the only hope for a compromise deal. can a deal be struck? white house correspondent brianna is traveling with the first family in honolulu, hawaii. hey, brianna, good morning. >> good morning, to you, it's been many silent nights actually in washington these days. not because there's nobody there to sort of figure out what's going on with the fiscal cliff but also, because folks really aren't talking. we know the white house is talking to senate democrats as we look to the senate as he reconvene on thursday, really, the last-ditch effort to try to do something. as of yet, congressional democrats in the white house are not talking with congressional republicans. that's even at the

will grow over the so-called " fiscal cliff. " that's when automatic tax increases and spending cuts could take effect. retain a deal before then will not be easy. because right now, both sides are involved in a high-stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of a house representatives are watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. i told the president that i would be happy to look at whatever he proposes but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline here and as i said this is a conversation we should have made months ago. democrats want to extend the bush era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making too much and $50,000 or more a year. many republicans remain against any tax increases. >> former president george h. w. bush is still in intensive care at a hospital in houston. the former president's family is confident that he will be out of i see you soon. if the former president's chief of staff since supporters a note yesterday including this ". " he wo

that taxes are going to go up once the fiscal cliff is solved and how will the average american be affected by this? joining us now is gordon burnhart, a certified public accountant with burnhart wealth management. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, tom, how are you. >> so much of the uncertainty we heard from president leaves you to wonder what is the assessing in planning when you don't know about that in. >> and that is why that is important to plan. we have seen so much happen and people need to make sure they set aside the cash reserves and there is a lot of planning opportunities and investors need to work with an advisor to make sure that all of those unforseen things are addressed so they can help, again, protect families. >> and there is only three days left, two days weekend days. are there things folks can do as we head toward the deadline to protect themes in yo there are a few things. obviously, you can't do going since the stock markets are closed on saturday and sunday. on monday, investors should look at their portfolio. capital gains rates, for example, the increasing

people how much more they would pay in taxes after we go offer the fiscal cliff and they were like wow, i had no idea. where were you november 6 when you a chance to vote against doing that? i don't think the average american understands. >> they were listening to pimp with a limp and david letterman, a nice guy who knows nothing about economics. social security, defense, medicare, medicaid, the health programs and the cost of interest on our debt are the five -- four main drivers of our debt. five main drivers of our debt. that's not going to change. 50% of our budget. a little bit more when you leave defense in there. we have to cut spending. why won't the president say look, we have to cut spending. it's like social security. we paid in all these years. people paid madoff. >> you're 100% right. revenues go up every year but spending goes up more. craig smith, thank you very much. >>> it's been almost a full hour, almost a full hour since the white house meeting started. ed henry at the white house on what we can glean from there. for an hour. we're 55 minutes into the meeting. is that

to be very upset with this congress. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff would bring massive tax increases and deep spending cuts. the treasury department would have trouble paying its bills. many economists worry the financial woes would plunge the u.s. back into a recession. just one possible effect of the fiscal cliff. milk prices could spike $2 or $3 a gallon, because farm programs will expire at the end of the year. some are calling that dairy cliff. live in new york, wendy gillette. >> wendy gillette in new york. thank you. >>> the country has lost one of its great warriors. tributes are pouring in this morning for retired general norman schwarzkopf. the general died yesterday in tampa after a battle with pneumonia. schwarzkopf commanded "operation desert storm" that drove iraqi forces from kuwait. in retirement, he championed causes. norman schwarzkopf was 78. >>> now, to former president george h.w. bush's condition. his chief of staff says he will be in the hospital for a while. the 41st president is recovering from a terrible case of bronchitis with a series of complications. she says tha

their fight over the fiscal cliff. >> anyone who has not taken advantage of the tax credit, act fast. you have a few days to save hundreds of dollars. officials are reminding all consumers to postmarked applications by december 31 or you'll have to wait another year. the legislation in 2007 by the state general assembly. homeowners must submit eligibility, which limits the amount of assessment increase. spending the holidays at home is not in the plans for george h. w. bush. he is spending another night in hospital. he has been in the hospital since last month with a lingering bronchitis' cough. doctors had hoped to release them but he delivered a fever. doctors say they are optimistic he will recover. the good news come he is surrounded by his wife and other relatives. nelson mandela is looking better after two weeks in the hospital. he had surgery to remove gall stones and developed a lung infection. no word on whether the former president will be released but he does remain in good spirits. she had a memorable moment with daniel craig and now queen elizabeth's's christmas message is all of

the fiscal cliff by allowing the taxes to go up on the top 2%, president obama gets his $250,000 tax increase threshold, and then the middle class gets the same rate extension. we're not cutting anything here, by the way, we're getting a rate extension. and so republicans can vote present, the middle class still gets their same rate, president obama gets what he wanted with the tax hike on the rich, and they can say, look, we gave him what he wanted. this is his now. >> you can't take $500 billion out of this year's economy without any serious consequences. i mean, it'll be about $500 billion. you can't, that's going to hurt. that could threaten the recession. >> there's no doubt if we go over the cliff and it stays there's a recession in the first six, possibly nine months, there's no doubt about it. >> they've got to make a deal. they've got to. >> i think what they're leaning -- part of the reason the president said what he said is that i think there is hope that they might do a patch, essentially. >> all right. >> so sort of -- and sort of lay out some parameters for -- >> a verbal agreem

-minute deal towards the so called -- to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff has finished. john boehner was at the white house today, trying to reach an agreement to avoid hundreds of billions of dollars of tax increases and spending cuts. no statement is expected anytime soon. we go live now to washington to war correspondent, ben. >> all of the participants at this meeting left without a word. i don't think we will hear from them the rest of the day. there is a great deal at stake and very little time left. it has been reported that president obama presented a plan to increase taxes on income over a quarter million dollars per year, as part of the deficit reduction plan to deal with american debt. he would probably say to the congressional leaders that need to figure out a way to get it through, but i think the expectations in washington of a deal are low with only three, four days left until the new year and the media tax hikes and spending cuts taking and -- kicking in. >> that means perhaps heading back into recession? >> yes, there is little doubt in washington about the seriousne

the fiscal cliff. he promoezed that we don't tax -- no tax increase until $400,000, instead of $250,000. he proposed -- he said he would be willing to go with the republican demands for entitlement cuts cutting colas on social security which i think is obnoxious and will not vote for under any circumstances. he made a lot of concessions, too many. the republicans showed, though, when they voted against cutting taxes for 99.8% of americans, because they wouldn't allow taxes to go up for people above $1 million, they showed that it's very difficult to do business this w them. >> you said the president made too many concessions. >> i think so. >> were you more a fan of the $250,000 and less than that or -- >> i'm more of a fan of the $250,000 but mainly, mainly i would not vote for a nickel in -- under any circumstances for a nickel in cuts to social security benefits. >> so when we look at that and there are those on the right that say i won't vote for a nickel in revenue and then you coming on saying i won't vote for a nickel less than what people are getting -- >> on social security. that's

. is there a plan c or over the fiscal cliff. dan henninger, editorial board member. mary anastasia o'grady and jason riley. where do we stand right now with the collapse of plan b? >> well, it's no fun being john boehner right now. he's still in a tight spot and the concern that the republicans have is that obama's panel strength and as we go over the cliff and tax rates go up. but i really think the buck stops with the president here. when you go into the negotiating sessions, paul and you're expected to make concessions, but you're expect today get something in return and boehner made a major concession on rights and the president is giving him nothing in return to take that to his caucus and say, this is what happened in the horse trading. it's all or nothing, obama seems determined to humiliate the opposition. >> paul: boehner made two concessions, first 800 billion on the table in revenue and don't raise rates when the president said no he, you've got to raise rates. he said okay, a concession on rates, an offer first we'll vote for a million dollar tax increase on those making

in a sense, the fiscal cliff is in a sense artificial, if he has the power to raise taxes next year for six months and then get down to serious negotiations after the congress-- >> and should republicans be willing to raise rates? say we lost the election, now what, we're just going to, we have to do it. >> well, i think if the president had put something that was like $1 of tax increases for every $4 that he was cutting, then there could be an argument for doing that, but he's not there. >> paul: all right, mary, thank you. still ahead, four state department officials were removed from their post after a r r r r r r r >> a scathing report this week blames systemic failures in leadership and management deficiencies at the state department for inadequate security at the u.s. consulate in benghazi before the september 11th attack that killed ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. in testimony before congress this week, two top advisors to secretary of state hillary clinton vowed to do better and to improve security at u.s. diplomatic posts around the world. clinton herself was s

taxes will go up as part of any deal to avert the fiscal cliff. there is a general expectation that over the next couple of years, middle class taxes are heading up. bun of the dirty little secrets of these fiscal cliff discussions, they keep talking about extending the bush tax cuts, but there is payroll taxes that are going up on the first of the year. i think there is potential for a very ugly situation if political leaders say we stop all the tax hikes on the middle class, we reached this deal, and then someone looks at their paycheck and see their payroll taxes have gone up, they're not going to appreciate that. >> gregg: that's right. >> arthel: that's for sure. so we'll stay in washington, but let's talk about this. senator kerry being the next secretary of state. let's look at your polling and see how people are reacting to that. 47% are favorable and 42 unfavorable. correct? >> that's right. there is two things. one thing unusual, one thin standard about this. most new cabinet members are pretty unknown. so it's unusual to have somebody with such a high level of name recognition

up with a solution. to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is the end- of- the year trigger on tax hikes. and spending cuts. >> in the next few days i've asked leaders of congress to work towards a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans, protects unemployment insurance for 2 million americans and lays the groundwork for further work on both and deficit reduction. >>pam: house speaker john boehner failed to gain enough of his party's support for his "plan b". that proposal would have raised taxes only on those americans making more than one million dollars a year. without a deal, steep tax hikes and massive government spending cuts are set to kick in after january first. as the fiscal cliff countdown continues. house and senate members and president obama. have all recessed for the christmas holiday. >> the ninth circut court of appeals today blocked a california law which bans the controversial therapy. that aims to turn gay minors. straight. the three judge panel issued an emergency order, to put the law on hold until the court can hear further arguments. the law. wh

questions on the fiscal cliff and getting help with that task is linda, the president of tax masters in rockville. linda, thanks for joining us. you have been following our facebook page. we've been asking our viewers to write questions or ask questions about the fiscal cliff. what are some of our viewers asking? >> they're asking very normal questions, like how would it affect their family with a limited income and a couple of chirp. i had to tell them it affects them quite a bit. if you have children under 17 you are immediately going to lose $500 for each child. >> that's a big hit. >> sts. the young couple with two children, that's $1,000 their taxes will go up on top of the 2% for their salary. >> is there anything people can do to protect themselves in advance of the fiscal cliff happening? the president came out and said he was still mildly optimistic. but if the isn't and the senate can't reach a deal, what could people possibly do? >> contact their congressman. >> short of that is there anything people can do? increase their withholding on their paycheck? what could people p

to reach a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff -- is running out for law-makers. automatic tax hikes -- and steep government spending cuts, could be just around the corner. kron4's justine waldman is tracking the developments in washington. with many law-makers still on holiday vacation. and kron4 political analyst michael yaki is also here. we'll get his take on where things stand - next at 5-30! (male announcer) live from the kron 4 news station, this is the kron 4 news. >> grant: now at 5-30. the "fiscal cliff" deadline is five days away. and there is no deal in sight to avoid automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. tonight - our poltical analyst michael yaki is here to break it down for us. but first - kron 4's justine waldman is stading- by to get us up to date on what is happening.justine. >> we have just learned that on friday, congressional leaders will meet with the president to discuss the fiscal cliff standoff. there is no legislation pending in either the house or the senate to avoid going over the cliff. and the converstations about it. continue to be confrontational. tim

the government from car ring off the fiscal cliff. the plan includes extending tax cut for most americans and taken steps to avoid a papal set of agency budget cuts. >> the president suggested that any chance for a smaller deal may rest in the senate. particulary after the collapse of a plan by house speaker john boehner to allow tax rates to rise for wealthy americans. >> coming up on kron 4 news weekend. an appeals court makes a ruling on a state law which bans their peak aimed at turning gay minors straight. we will have more details. here is a live look outside at mt. tam. we will be right back. >> it is back at 8:09 a.m.. we are keeping an eye on the weather this morning. 50 at ski run over to the sierra. it is expected to be cloudy today with scattered snow showers and very high wind gusts. high temperatures are only going to be in the '20s. they are expecting plenty of snow. anywhere from 1 to 5 ft.. chains are also required on most of the highway is going up. >> parts of the midwest are still dealing with a blizzard conditions this weekend. if this is video out of westwood, ohio o

. and republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. they should be saying this. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it, lets them own the massive exploding national debt, let them own the tax hikes, let them own the defense cuts. instead boehner and the gaining are letth president to star his own superhero film. he's going to come back in and save us from the fiscal cliff while others are puffing marlboros. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how do you get the ball back from the democrats? they had it. next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> i'm going to have to upset you, my friend. i think you are right. i think boehner is at the moment looking weaker. he's out of the talks all together at the moment. no role to play. his own troops have abandoned him. i'm told he's okay of keeping the speaker ship on january 3rd when they vote but you start to hear rumors about eric cantor who you see next to him possibly launching some kind of -- but it seems to me he's in a position the republicans in the senate and the white house are really

called on congress to solution. to avoid some end- of- the year tax hikes. due to the fiscal cliff. >> in the next few days i've asked leaders of congress to work towards a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans, protects unemployment insurance for 2 million americans and lays the groundwork for further work on both and deficit reduction. >> pam: this comes after house speaker john boehner failed to gain enough of his party's support. to his "plan b". his proposal would have raised taxes only on those americans making more than one million dollars a year. without a deal, steep tax hikes and massive government spending cuts are set to trigger after january first. as the fiscal cliff countdown continues. house and senate members have already recessed for the holidays. >> president obama will nominate senator john kerry as the next secretary of state. he made the announcement at the white house today. current secretary of state hillary clinton is stepping down in january.u-n ambassador susan rice was reportedly on the short list, but took herself off it, citing a "

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to the fiscal cliff? guest: the fiscal cliff is the combination of a bunch of different tax and spending decisions made by washington, dating back over the past 12 years. we had the bush tax cuts that began in 2001 and 2003. we extended them under president obama. those are set to end on monday. $110 billion in annual spending cuts were agreed to under president obama as part of the debt ceiling negotiation. those begin on tuesday. we have the payroll tax cut in place for two years, takes about two percentage points off people's taxes, bill will end on monday. business tax breaks, bill will end on monday. the alternative minimum tax, which is confusing, but it would be a disaster if that was not taken care of, because it would raise the taxes of about 30 million americans for their 2012 income and 2013. and all the confusion could screw up the whole tax filing season. who knows when you will be filing your taxes, because the irs does not know which tax rates will be applied and who will be responsible for paying what. so it's going to be a mess if this is not handled quickly. host: if we

voted for prop 30. every californian will pay a quarter percent higher sales. the fiscal cliff will hit all americans with higher taxes. and that could lead to a u.s. economic down turn. and that could derail many of the benefit prop 30 could have meant for the state. >> i don't know if there is a word to describe how mad the public will be. nobody will be happy to see that happen. >> if taxes go up it is not going to be a happy time. i think that is what is going to happen. >> reporter: the lowest income folks will see their pay shrink by 3.5%. average earners 4%. top earners 6%. that says nothing about other unknowns. >> we will be very angry. it will hit the people -- if you are on top you are on top but the middle and the working class are going to be effected. >> very angry. this life, i mean, we have to succeed. >> reporter: add to that 2,100,000 more americans on unemployment benefits who will be cut off january 1. >> our political parties hurt the american people. >> reporter: no one, no one will be exempt. consumer editor tom vacar, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> americans bought new

but that doesn't mean there's any hope of avoiding the fiscal cliff. congressional officials say no negotiations have been set and without an agreement, automatic tax increases for everyone and deep cuts will be triggered in the new year. the main dispute continues to be over raising taxes. >>> news time right now 5:47. starbucks will tackle the fiscal cliff one cup at a time. the ceo how old shut wants workers in the -- howard schultz wants workers in the d.c. area store to write come together on the coffee cups they serve today and tomorrow. he says it's the company's way of respectfully telling politicians they need to find common ground. >> if people would get in the room and lee their ego behind and not be so skewed towards the party but be so sensitive to the lens of the american people, we will have an agreement. >> now this is just a suggestion from the ceo of starbucks. and employees won't be forced to write anything but a customer's name on the cup. >>> news around the nation this morning, hawaii's governor announced lieutenant governor will fill the u.s. senate seat vacated by the dea

year. in order to avoid some of the tax hikes of the fiscal cliff and to deal with some of the unemployment. greg: senator rob portman, a republican from ohio said that if lawmakers in the white house can get through this fiscal cliff, we will immediately face another fiscal cliff, if you will. the debt ceiling, noting that are dead is not sustainable. so portman does not sound impressed by talk of a small package to get through this initial fiscal cliff. worried about the long-term impact of our unsustainable debt. greg: our markets are taking a little bit of a head. falling on wall street, the market is on track for its fifth consecutive decline. investors feared that the fallout will have a tremendous effect on what is already a fragile economic recovery. stephen moore joins us. when economic growth was comparatively pretty good, this the president said no, now you don't want to raise tax rates because the economy is fragile. gdp is worse now, is that? >> i think almost exactly two years ago, the president said the economy is too fragile to raise taxes on anyone. so w

but the truth is i think the president is hoping to go over the fiscal cliff. he can enact tax increases, cut defense spending and blame it on the republicans. the problem is we have had harry reid and the senate democrats haven't passed a budget plan in three years and they're looking at just raising taxes. we need to seriously address the spending in this country and we haven't had that from the democrats. we have to have that for things to pass. really get this deficit under control. >> all right. so keith, that was a loud sigh that you just gave. >> you heard that? >> i think everybody at home just heard that. so you obviously do not agree with alice's assessment there. i want to show debbie wasserman-schultz's quote. no 48-notice on house votes just yet. the president has a lot to gain politically with the blame on republicans for letting all of the country go over the cliff and the fact that they seem to hold on with the death grip for millionaires in this country. >> the republicans will be blamed it seems according to the polls going over the fiscal cliff but the president is responsi

thunderbird ready to put the pedal to the metal on the fiscal cliff. they can cut taxes, spending, and blame the gop. the gop is doing the smart thing and pointing the finger at the real problem, which is out-of-control spending. fixing the not going to be easy, but it's not complicated. we can't just rely on raising taxes. we have to look at cutting spending and the republicans are doing that, even more so with gite ner pointing out the -- geithner pointing out the fact, warning us on the debt ceiling. this shows us we have out of control spending and raising taxes is not going to get us out of this mess. >> alice, you realize that most americans think you need a combination of tax hikes and spending cuts. it's not just one half of the deal. this is republicans and democrats, about 70% of americans, so it's not just a one-sided deal, and the second thing to say is, you know, these guys aren't that far apart. you know, in fact, when you look at how much revenue boehner has put on the table, he's close to a trillion dollars and he's just simply saying i want a trillion dollars in spending cu

to another recession if president obama and congress fail to find a way to avoid the fiscal cliff of tax increases and spending cuts that will take effect january 1. the president is returning to washington this morning, cutting short his holiday vacation. however, with only five days before the fiscal cliff deadline, no new negotiations have been scheduled. and adding to the pressure, treasury secretary tim geithner says the country is on track to hit its borrowing limit on monday. >>> and former president george h.w. bush has been moved to the intensive care unit at a hospital in houston. he's in guarded condition because of a stubborn fever. mr. bush who is 88, has been hospitalized for more than a month now, trying to recover from bronchitis. >>> you think you pay a lot to park. not compared to folks in chicago. it's going to soon cost $6.50 per hour. that's like 10 cents a minute at a meter downtown. after the rate goes up 75 cents in the new year. >> in quarters? >> yes, quarters, you can also use a credit card. >> who carries $6.50 in quarters? >> you can use a credit card, you gu

, if we go over the fiscal cliff there will be a bill put in place where they could vote to cut taxes instead of having what so might consider to raise them beforehand. one of those 4 senators is mitch mcconnell the g.o.p. leader. >> reporter: the president before leaving for hawaii says he hopes everyone gets a chance to drink some el nog, sing some christmas carols and get with their constituents to aeu to tell them they can get something done. all this will only cut $8 billion as opposed to the $4 trillion. can't america do better th-pb. >> the discussions have been focused entirely on taxes. even if you adopted all the president's tax cuts -- tax increases that he wanted it would do so little to touch our long-term fiscal problem. it really needs to be entitlement reform and it's really a tragedy that everything has been focused on taxes when entitlement reform is really what needs to be addressed to address a long term fiscal crisis. >> reporter: that and taxes seem to be the sticking point. jaime we thank you your insights. merry chris misand happy holidays to you. >> same to y

taxes are going up for almost everyone immediately if we go over the fiscal cliff. it likely will take a toll on already stretched family bench. take a look at the numbers from the tax policy center. for those whose taxes do go up this is the average tax hit family also take on top of what they already pay in taxes. below 10,000 they will pay an average of about $300 more. look down the chart a bit. those who make between 40 and 50,000 they will have to pay an extra $1,700 more. looking at the next set of numbers for wage earners, 50 to 75,000. they will have to find an extra $2,300 to send to washington. and if you managed to make over $200,000, if you go over that income mark, it will be a big jump up. you have to send a check to uncle sam for, on average, about 14,000 additional dollars. the highers wage earns 500,000 to a million they will pay an average of $34,000 more. over a million dollars, the irs will want 216,000 additional dollars from you on top of what you already pay in taxes. the upshot of all of this; >> you will have less money to spend in a very difficult economy wit

nothing. because all the taxes will go up after the fiscal cliff. >> but hold on, because i think you're being too triumphant about this. the truth is you're right. democrats right now are probably winning the fight on taxes. >> definitely. >> but you know what? but the truth is the republicans are winning the fight on spending. because you know what is going to happen on january 1st? we're going to get that sequester. and i guarantee you, liberals are going to scream bloody murder about the cuts. the cuts are very significant. >> how harmless in the sequester are all of the entitlement programs. defense is going to get a $500 billion cut. >> that's true. i hate to see it. >> you know what? that actually is the only way you're ever going to cut defense. and they held harmless to most americans. your side has lost this negotiation. >> stephen, may i throw one other issue into the mix? >> but you're also going to get steep -- just read what the left is saying. they're say oh my god, with un100,000 teachers are going to lose their job, nurses are going to lose their job. >> and republica

the fiscal cliff as a group of democrats push for the extension of most of the bush-era tax cuts, cuts they say staunchly -- they opposed years ago. joining us now to talk about it, tony -- [inaudible] a republican political analyst and consultant and a national political correspondent for talk radio news service. michael is a democratic strategist, and he joins us as well. good to see you both. tony, look, the word we're getting is that harry reid is going to pass an extension of the bush tax cuts for anybody under 250,000, extend unemployment benefits for two million folks. um, now, if that happens, it goes to the house, and the house will probably have to put it up. aren't republicans, your party, going to wish that they had passed plan b? >> absolutely, gregg. look, plan b really should have been our plan a, number one. number two, plan b was really the idea of chuck schumer and nancy pelosi as recently as in this summer. to set the threshold on incomes to a million dollars versus 250,000, allow those tax rates for a million and above go up, the president talked about taxing millio

and the fiscal cliff drama. most americans could see a rise in taxes and government spending cuts if government does not reach a deal before year's end, and i want to bring in two capitol hill veterans, budget committee member as well, martin frost of texas and david winston, he was aide to newt gingrich and adviser to newt gingrich's 2012 presidential campaign. i want to pick up where we left off last hour. gentlemen, you were making a point. my question is what happened to those talks between the president and john boehner. at one point they were 400 million apart and it was one whole heck of a lot of money and what happened? i think what happened is that the president decided that he was going to up the number from 800 to $1.2 trillion worth of revenue that he wanted. >> that took speaker boehner to the point where he didn't think they would go through the house and things began to fall apart at that point and they ended up going with this commission and i think it was frustrating to both men. my sense is they know the speaker was trying to get there and my sense from talking to the speaker'

the fiscal cliff, just four days left before we go over the edge triggers tax hikes, spending cuts that could send the nation back into recession. the president calling for members of the congress the back. a gang of six attending. vice president biden, harry reid, house minority leader nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he doesn't see how it can get done by january 1st. we heard from president obama before he left from his vacation that he was optimistic. logistically the white house will tell you it's possible. when you listen to what you're hearing some of these congressional leaders say, there's a lot of posturing laying blame to the other side if we do go over the cliff. take a listen. >> republicans are not about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in wa

this is just politics and it won't affect you. mark calculates just how much the fiscal cliff could cost you. >>reporter: if congress fails to avoid the fiscal cliff the financial consequences are significant. now there's a computer program that will figure specifically what each of us can expect next year. tax policy center fiscal cliff calculator peck your category married single with or without children enter the income and press to, it will pop up but you have to cough up next year. >> 17,000 dollars higher. that's a lot. >>reporter: jason is an engineer from cupertino with wife and 3 kid. he's looking at extra 17,000 in change. renee of carson just calculated what her family will pay. >> my god. that's another additional, i mean, deduction. >>reporter: 4 dollars short of 3000 dollars. >> i know. i know. >>reporter: she says it's like losing a month salary for her or her husband. pretty significant reduction. >> oh, yes. yes. it's a big one. >>reporter: here's other quick calculations. single person making 46,000 can count on increase of 1300. married with no children incom

about the fiscal cliff lately. how will it actually affect you? what happens to your taxes if we go off the cliff? according to the tax policy center if you're sing well no children and make $50,000 a year you will see your taxes go up by $1,500 if no deal is reached. married couple with two kids making $100,000 would see their taxes go up a whopping $5,300 per year. taxes will go up the same amount underneath the democratic and republican plans if no deal is reached. just one day after the christmas holiday, president obama is packing his bags, heading back to washington to try to forge a deal on the fiscal cliff, with just six days left to negotiate, a deal to avoid the catastrophic cliff, the president will leave hawaii tonight to try to work on a bargain between democrats and republicans. brianna keilar is traveling with the president in hawaii and joins us now. good morning, brianna. did the president cut his vacation short or was it planned all along? >> reporter: he did cut his vacation short from what was initially planned which was to go through the new year, so yes, he cut it

the fiscal cliff. why? after january 1st, when everyone's taxes go up, the new congress sworn this on january 3rd could vote to cut taxes. a much easier vote to cast for republicans as well as some democrats. as for the president, is he nhe scheduled to leave his family tonight, come back to washington tomorrow morning, in the hopes of helping his fellow democrats try to find enough republicans to pass his plan. but of course this goes without saying that was a plan that most if not all republicans campaigned very strongly against. >> the most likely scenario is actually did go off the cliff now. ryan liza is our correspondent from washington. you look at this and we're hearing echos of the past. the republican speaker from the house of representatives said, and i have it here somewhere, i don't want to be critical of john, meaning john boehner, but if you don't ever bring something to the floor without the votes. so this is what happened last thursday night where he brought this bill to the floor, his plan b, and it went nowhere. was that a major miscalculation for him? >> it was. look, denn

should start making some meaningful reform on debt. >> going over the fiscal cliff mean morz than higher taxes. federal workers at risk of being furloughed and unemployment benefits for two million people could expire saying the nation will fall back into a recession. there are reports hairy reed is now working on a smaller deal than the one the president negotiate yatesed with house speaker john boehner. >> the package reportedly preventing tax increases on middle class families and cut some spending programs but it's not clear such a plan could pass. >> star bucks is using its coffee cups to jump into washington politics. the world's biggest coffee chain asking employees and cafes to write something other than customer names on cups wanting workers to scribble words come together on cups this week as a message to lawmakers to settle this fiscal cliff issue. >> jipgs president morsi signed the country's new constitution into law today. >> he called on the opposition to the opposition restricted the new constitution. >> the parts were draft bid islamist leaders. morsi revoked sweeping po

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goes over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up for every family. there is still time for the speaker to hit the brakes and avoid the cliff. we do not need a thelma and louise projection over the cliff. the senate-passed bill would protect 98% of families and 97% of small businesses from a crippling tax hikes all the speaker and the president work out an agreement. that agreement should be comprehensive. the republicans want to ensure that taxes do not go up on january 1, they should pass the senate bill. the only reason the speaker has not brought it to the floor sooner is that he knows it will pass. americans are not fooled by the speakers of phony, procedural excuses for failing to bring the bill to a vote. they expect action. let me be very plain. there is nothing presenting the speaker from presenting our bill and giving middle-class families certainty. this is not a game. this is not scoring political points. there will be very serious consequences for millions of families to go congress fails to compromise. there'll be a very serious consequences for our country ago congress fails to

. >>> and now, to the fiscal cliff. and we are just about to go over the edge. congress has left for the holidays. if they don't get a deal done soon, tax increases and budget cuts will hit after the first of the year. earlier, republican congressman, steve la tourette said the president has been too focused on tax cuts for the rich. but he did leave the door open a little. >> i'm okay, you president, you can tax the rich people. but come up with some spending cuts, we're borrowing $1 trillion a year and he has not. >> indiana senator joe lieberman said he's more pessimistic than he's ever been that a deal will get done. >> in the aftermath of the house republicans rejecting speaker boehner's so-called plan b, the first time that i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not. and that, if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time. maybe ever in american history. >> leaders from both sides are expected back in washington on thursday. in india. growing demonstrations after a 23-yea

in hawaii and, yes, christmas brings us one day closer to possibly the fiscal cliff, the huge tax increases, spending cuts that could take effect in one week or so. brianna keeler is watching there in hawaii, joining us with the update. first of all, how is the president, how is the first family spending the holiday? >> presumably right now they are sleeping in, suzanne, because it is still very early here as you know. >> what time is it? >> we are expecting of course they'll have a christmas. let's see. 6:00 in the morning bright and early. we've been at it for a few hours. we expect them to have a nice christmas meal at the house they're renting. the white house chef is here. maybe we'll get details on what they are going to eat. there is nothing on the president's public schedule. he is frequently gone and visiting with troops in the past so we wouldn't be surprised if he did that again today. i will tell you that bo the dog is actually along for the ride here in hawaii and the white house released a video where bo just really kind of steals the show. let's look at a little of that. this

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